Drunken Darkness
Ghosts, murder, chaos and mystery......add a heavy handed-shot of whiskey or bourbon and you've got the recipe for Drunken Darkness. A comedic, educational, and downright needed podcast. Join your hosts Mitch and Amanda Kiser as they talk stories of the macabre and mysterious. From gruesome murders, haunted happenings around the world to just plain weird and creepy. So, kick back, grab a cold one, and lets gets weird.
Drunken Darkness
Sunglasses at Night: The Government's Creepiest Silencers
There's something deeply unsettling about the real Men in Black that Hollywood doesn't show you. Forget Will Smith's charismatic agent—the actual phenomenon involves pale, eyebrow-less figures who appear when you've witnessed something in the sky you weren't supposed to see. And they don't use flashy devices to erase your memory; they threaten your family. So sit back, crack open a cold one, and lets get weird!
oh shit, episode two Right after episode 1, because today is the 8th. Episode 1 came out today and we're back in here recording episode 2. That's true Today Consistency.
Speaker 2:Is key.
Speaker 1:The recipe to success. Anyway, what is up? We are drunk in darkness. I am mitch and I'm amanda and we're back in your ear holes with episode two, which I totally forgot what was about because I don't do the research for this I just do the Tonight your boy is drinking Skinny Girl Moscato.
Speaker 2:Still on that sugar-free.
Speaker 1:Not because I'm a bitch, but because I'm trying to be sugar-free. But if I drink the whole bottle, I realized it is 500 calories. But I am about three-quarters away with the whole bottle because I didn't even get a glass, I just drank the bottle.
Speaker 2:You just drank out of the bottle.
Speaker 1:It saves dishes. It saves dishes, it saves water. What it saves? The environment?
Speaker 2:You're helping the environment.
Speaker 1:Right, are you going to recycle?
Speaker 2:that bottle.
Speaker 1:No, I'm going to throw it in the trash and give it to the trash man, but I'm reducing my carbon footprint, or some shit.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:I can tell myself that.
Speaker 2:You tell yourself that.
Speaker 1:And plus the sugar content's probably come back in this other cider I got over here beside of me, that's true. Anyway, what is up, my beautiful bride? It's been a week since we were here last. We have since got some merch.
Speaker 2:We have, we got stickers, we did get some stickers in.
Speaker 1:We talked about some shirts. We did. We got a pre-sale going for shirts. That's going amazing.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:We've got. That's all the merch we got.
Speaker 2:I was about to go on a rant, but my rant ended. You were. You were like and we've got all the things we don't have shit.
Speaker 1:We got shirts and we got stickers, but you better get them quick because they're going fast.
Speaker 2:And who doesn't love stickers and?
Speaker 1:shirts, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm getting a purple one and a black one.
Speaker 1:I'm going to get a purple and black one.
Speaker 2:That's just weak bottom Bitch. Yeah, we'll do what we want to do. I'm going to get one for every day of the week.
Speaker 1:We don't have none to sell, because that's 14.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm just going to wear the same two. I'm just going to rotate them.
Speaker 1:You're going to wash them first.
Speaker 2:Who knows?
Speaker 1:Ooh, that's weird what's been up this last week. We've been pumped about the podcast. We have been We've been pushing it super hard. So if you're getting sick of it, too bad. We're going to push it some more. I'm going to push this some more. I'm going to push this in your face all the time.
Speaker 2:Dirty.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Sorry.
Speaker 1:She went there. I didn't. I know you heard the new theme song. We done ramped and raved about it, but we dig it, I like it, I love it Every time it comes on. I do a little ditty over here by myself. I do a little dance. It's the same dance move. I don't have anything else. That's all I got. It's a right and a left step and it's just repeated back and forth back and forth. It's like the slide.
Speaker 2:All you need is a belt buckle to hold on to. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll get you one next time. Oh yeah, A little sidestep.
Speaker 2:Bam, get you a Drunken Darkness belt buckle Bam A little DD. Boom DDP.
Speaker 1:No, that's not no.
Speaker 2:Drunken Darkness podcast DDP. All right, maybe I mean we can't coin it, it's already coined.
Speaker 1:DDP yoga.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not.
Speaker 1:DDP pug. I mean, maybe I don't know. Yeah, what are we doing tonight?
Speaker 2:Hit them with it.
Speaker 1:We're going to talk about something weird.
Speaker 2:All right, that's a given. Something creepy.
Speaker 1:That's a given.
Speaker 2:Something that some people think is not real.
Speaker 1:Okay, tell me about it, because I kind of forgot what we were doing. I thought UFOs and you said no.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's UFO related. We're going to talk about who comes to see you when you see a UFO. Oh shit.
Speaker 1:Here comes the man in black, will Smith, and smash you in the mouth like it did Chris Rock.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't think that's what's happening.
Speaker 1:If you've seen a UFO, Will Smith shows up, smacks you like you were talking about.
Speaker 2:Jada.
Speaker 1:Smith in the face. Nope, just smacks you in the mouth until you forget. I mean Is that what he does I hope so. Maybe that was what Chris Rock did. He thought he'd seen a UFO, smacked that bitch in the mouth.
Speaker 2:I don't think so. I don't think that's what happened.
Speaker 1:So. So let me tell you what I know, because I know a little bit of stuff about the Men in Black. I don't know a lot about it.
Speaker 2:Okay, you tell me.
Speaker 1:I think they're real. Okay, I don't think they show up at your house with a little blinking light to make you forget. I think they show up at your house and say Yo, listen, if you say a word about what you've seen, we're going to murder your whole fucking family and we will take you fucking out because it's the government and they don't fuck with like little blue lights that make you forget. I think they just say, look, if you say anything else about it, you're gonna come home and find your wife missing maybe, maybe they're like talabasca and they just touch your head and make you forget they erase who the fuck is talabasca tell the mayfair witches.
Speaker 2:So we've been watching mayfair witches, guys. It's freaking awesome, she's been watching my fair witches he said he was watching it with me, but he snooze fest whatever it is not it's, it's okay.
Speaker 1:You told me what happened, though you have told everybody to watch it don't be on here pretending like you told me what happened, so it's not as entertaining no, you lie, you lie.
Speaker 2:You ask what happened right?
Speaker 1:but you told me. I told you a little bit I told you I couldn't tell you everything because the book is like you want me to run for everybody on here. I'll tell everybody I'll spill all your shit, I won't. Y'all should watch. It's okay. I didn't know who the talabasco was, or whatever talamasca the tabascos. Watch out for the tabascos anyways, they'll get you.
Speaker 2:You know what they'll make you forget. We're gonna bring back, let's maybe that's what they do.
Speaker 1:That's what we're gonna do. Men in black show up and they just make you. They just pour hot sauce down your face until you forget.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna bring back the.
Speaker 1:Make mitch say words he can't say I'd say all kinds of words yeah, go ahead properly, can you? Enough, enough to get by enough to get by right in eastern k.
Speaker 2:That's right, I'm high class in eastern Kentucky. Yeah, send me to Hazard. I'm first class. Sorry if anybody's listening to Hazard. I just like to give you guys a hard time.
Speaker 1:All right, so we're doing the Men in Black tonight.
Speaker 2:We are doing the Men in Black tonight what I do know is just that and that is an honest truth.
Speaker 1:I do think they're real. I don't think they come at you with some kind of weird device. I do think they just threaten your entire life and livelihood and family right, and I think they're here for a reason the government just admitted what a year or two ago that ufos are real, so why in the they? Started. Yeah, would the men in black not be real? That's. There's been a ton of cases about them.
Speaker 2:They stem from somewhere yep, nobody just made this shit up. Who just decided?
Speaker 1:well, you know what? Let's make up a store back to minimum. This guy's shopping all black. No, it came from somewhere it did, that's his dude showed up at somebody's house and was like yo, you didn't see nothing, did you? And he was like I see, no, you didn't see anything. And he threatened them until they said all right, maybe I didn't see anything, I don't know you're not too off.
Speaker 2:See, you're not too far off.
Speaker 1:That's the government's a bunch of shady motherfuckers all right, go ahead, hit me with it.
Speaker 2:So the men in black we all know the movies, the mysterious black figures with the little blue lights, and they're like oh, you saw aliens. Blah, blah, blah. Let's make you forget, because we can't have that out. Mass hysteria um you know.
Speaker 2:But is it something like that? Is it some mysterious figures that are trying to keep mass hysteria down? Or is it something much more sinister? You know, it's not your average comic book, your men in black blockbuster movie that we've all seen. So from everything that has been told, everything that's been heard in all of the different incarnations or sightings of the men in black, one main thing sticks that they're there to muzzle, to silence any witnesses of anything strange or paranormal phenomenon.
Speaker 1:I'm just joking enough to interrupt you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:How awesome would it be, though, if what they did do they did do was will smith did show up and smack the fuck out of you if you seen some shit no, that sounds awful, because he smacked the shit out of chris rock. Imagine if that was what happened when you seen a ufo. I would probably you was like oh yo homie, I seen you a bam and will smith just smacked the shit out of you I mean that'd be a pretty cool job.
Speaker 1:I want to be a will smith you want to be, you can't you get him. I'd have to shave my head and be in like gi jane and shit. Well, she and jess, she wasn't even in, gi jane me not you right, but I'd have to be jada, if you're will smith right no that's how that works. No, didn't she get into some?
Speaker 1:that's what caused that whole riff now you're talking randomness no, that's what happened it is what she sucked some dude off and then that dude interviewed her on TV and was like, hey, yo, how'd it feel when you sucked me off? And she was like, oh, it made my husband cry. And then Will Smith cried on national TV.
Speaker 2:But that's besides the point. We're not talking about that. And then Chris.
Speaker 1:Rock got smart-ass about it and got smacked in the face which I think Will Smith deserved.
Speaker 2:You were kind of a bitch about it, okay, but that's not what we're talking about. I just had to get that go ahead. I can tell sorry, that's wow.
Speaker 1:I'm three quarters away through some skinny girl, wow wow, go ahead, hit me with the rest of that. Anyways, I got you. That's what this is about. Right? I get drunk and get obnoxious a little bit.
Speaker 2:Lordy, lordy day I might need some help. I'm gonna have to wrangle some help in here for this nonsense. And now he's Ric Flair. Folks Like watch out. So the men in black with all of this lead back to June 27, 1947, with a man named Harold Dahl. Harold Dahl was out doing some conservation stuff on a lake with his dog and his son. They were collecting some logs for some sort of project. He claims that he saw six donut shaped objects hovering in the sky. One fell what was approximately 1500 feet, and when I say fell like broke apart and fell showering debris on him, killed his dog and injured his son motherfuckers, I know what did the dog dog fuck that dog?
Speaker 1:I don't fuck them. Men in black, my ass. Yeah, this wasn't the men in black.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got their ass and give them aliens mitch foot right, I eat that foot.
Speaker 1:No, no anyways.
Speaker 2:Supposedly he was able to take some pictures of the scene. Um, so he had these pictures he showed his boss, fred chrisman. Chrisman didn't really believe him. He was like I don't know, I don't really think that's what that is. So he went back, supposedly, to this scene and saw for himself whatever this strange aircraft was, or pieces of it or whatever.
Speaker 2:So that then leads us into what is the very first reporting of the men in black. It's said that they showed up at Dahl's home the following morning. They went to a diner. They're like let's go have some food and have a chat, sir, about what you saw. So there are a couple different things that I found. There was one thing that said something about like they kind of made the pictures kind of blurry or hazy to him. But basically what is said is that the men then told Dahl in super good detail what he had experienced without him telling them what had happened. It was like they already had prior knowledge to what had happened and then they told him never to speak of it again. You're not to talk of this again or bad things will happen. But the thing about this is, years later the incident was deemed a hoax through an investigation by the US government where both Dahl and his boss Crimson admitted that it wasn't true, that it was fake. What? Because they were threatened with their fucking life and shit.
Speaker 2:Hence where I'm not finished. He then nope, you're totally fine there, 100%, you're right, you know? Because then he'd come back and he was like you know what I said? It was a hoax, because I made that confession under duress, like they were, like you have to claim it's a hoax. So he said no, it really was real. But they told me I had to say it wasn't real. So you know, there's your first sighting, 1947.
Speaker 2:So, although he was the first reported sighting of the MIB men in black, it was really our bender who founded the International Flying Saucer Bureau that really introduced the men in black concept to a wider audience of people, research into, you know, these flying saucers. So he had research that was going to go into the space review and he was visited by men in black. His research was said to prove that the US government, to some degree or another, had covered up the proof of UFOs. So he claims that three men and he's got a nice, wonderfully detailed description said they were dressed in black. Um, he said that they had this white skin. They didn't have eyebrows. Uh, let me see I've got. I love it. Basically he said, you know if, if you've seen powder as a movie and you put a a black, nicely tailored suit, maybe a top hat, maybe some sunglasses.
Speaker 1:This is what you've got now that that does get me a little bit you know why they look funny, for why can't they just be normal dudes?
Speaker 2:because there's a lot of talk on whether or not these are real men or these are actually aliens that are coming to visit you maybe this is not a government agency. Maybe these are aliens that are like hey, you don't talk about us. And that's where the accounts kind of differ, because some people are like these are men, these are men, these are men.
Speaker 2:Other accounts are like they had weird eyes. Some people were even like they have glowing eyes. So there's a lot of difference. But one thing that always stands is that they were very pale. They almost all looked identical, they were bald and they wore nice black suits shit, yeah.
Speaker 1:So where's an a, where's an alien? Get a suit tailored at you think maybe it's a projection of a suit that'd be all right.
Speaker 1:You have to go to men's warehouse and get them bitches on like discount maybe they get it from their own tardis oh, they got a talk, but wow, though that's wild to think about, though, right, it's not really. I've never really took that into consideration. I've heard the talk that they didn't have eyebrows and shit, yeah, but to think there were aliens who actually were coming and being like yo you didn't see us Right. That's different.
Speaker 2:I believe it was even Bender who had said that they had like these weird glowy eyes Shit. So he said three guys came because it's normally like a pair, some people have said one, some people have said, oh, I've had two, some people have said, oh, I've had three. And we talked a little bit about this back when we talked about the Mothman. The lady for the paper at Point Pleasant said they said she was visited quite frequently by these men in black and she never listened when they were like hush, hush, hush. She never hushed, right, it was a woman, right.
Speaker 1:I'm about done with this bottle of Skinny Girl. I got one question yeah, what's the chances they come visit us?
Speaker 2:Probably zero.
Speaker 1:I want that shit to happen.
Speaker 2:I want them to visit you, not me that's fine.
Speaker 1:You know what they're gonna get in the middle of the night if they wake up if they come into my underwear with my hair, all crazy, or no clothes at all, you imagine what kind of fucked up shit they're gonna think well, hello right, I'm gonna be like hey what's up, and they're gonna be like whoa you're gonna be like door.
Speaker 2:I've been waiting for you. Come on in.
Speaker 1:The water's nice.
Speaker 2:You're going to fucking out this motherfucker.
Speaker 1:I just want to take a few pictures. Come in, I just want to watch a horror movie and take a few pictures with you. Take that black suit off and lay it over the couch so it don't get wrinkled.
Speaker 2:I've heard about your powder white body. I heard you don't have no eyebrows.
Speaker 1:You want to shave mine too or what body I heard. You have no eyebrows. You want to shave mine too. It's just got real weird. That's all right, I'd fuck some men in black up.
Speaker 2:I thought that was going a different direction. I'll just fuck some men in black like wow, put them suits over the back of the couch. All right, come on in here.
Speaker 1:Let me talk to you for just a second one at a time, please one at a time got real weird, real fast, that's all right If you show up with no eyebrows at my house trying to tell me I didn't see some shit. It's about to get real weird.
Speaker 2:Be quiet. They don't know what it means to silence.
Speaker 1:Mitch Kaiser, you never show up in eastern Kentucky to a fat naked man that answers your door at three in the morning.
Speaker 2:It's going to get real wild, you know who I've got some buddies that probably have experienced that though probably they'll tell you what it's all about.
Speaker 1:It's no fun. One day we'll do a a stories of mitch episode. Scars for mitch, old dad.
Speaker 2:Scars from old dad oh, lord, anyways, raining it in, bringing it back. So, as he prepared to unveil this research, he was visited by these men. His research, like I said, oh, and he's finished.
Speaker 1:this skinny girl, that's okay because he ain't into skinny girl. Anyway, it's 500 calories. I like me a thick girl.
Speaker 2:That's right. Anyways. So his research, like I said, was said to prove that UFOs existed. So he then claims that three men dressed in black visited his home and warned him against the research. He was so scared for his life that he shut everything down, even his flying saucer bureau Like he shut it all down bureau, like he shut it all down. They said that he was so affected by this encounter that he was said to have shown throughout the rest of his life that he was in a constant like state of terror. He was always anxious and he claimed to have received mysterious phone calls with no one on the other end all the way until his death in 2002 shit.
Speaker 1:He lived in 2002.
Speaker 2:He lived until 2002 and was still scared he was still scared. So ufologist nick redfern wrote about doll in his book the real men in black, but it was gray barker's book. They knew too much about flying saucers that really took the men and men beings, whatever, to another level. So, barker, if you remember, Just come men beings.
Speaker 1:Yes, is that what they called them? Because they may be aliens, exactly Because there's no guarantee these are real men or if they're extraterrestrial beings, that's a wild name. Men beings, men beings. When you got a speech impediment, that's's a fucking, that's a treacherous word to say treacherous men beings, men beings, men beings men beings.
Speaker 1:It sounds like you're saying men beans like the gayest ufologist in the world did you see them men beings outside, it sounds like something you go pick out of the garden. Give me some of the men beans, men beans pluck little dudes out of the garden lord.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's where they come from. But anyways, gray barker, do you remember this name? No no, he wrote the silver bridge, about point pleasant and the bridge collapsing I do now you do now. Yeah, same guy okay um.
Speaker 2:So he wrote they knew too much about flying saucers. Um, he described bender's visitors so he obviously interviewed bender. He described the men as men in black suits with threatening expressions on their face. Three men walk in on you and make certain demands, three men who know that you know what the saucers really are, and that's a direct quote. He went on to write several more books on UFOs, paranormal things, like the Silver Bridge. So it helped to spread all the stories. Of course, the Silver Bridge helped to spread the story of the mothman and if you don't know who the mothman is, highly, highly encourage you to go and look into that. Our goal this year is to go to the mothman festival and hopefully be able to have like a booth at the mothman Festival, but at least to go and experience the festival and do some you know scavenging around.
Speaker 1:If you don't know what the Mothman is, you probably don't even listen to this podcast, because you should know what the Mothman is.
Speaker 2:You should. We did that episode. But you know what? Maybe you're new, you're just dipping your toes in In the weirdness.
Speaker 1:You're just dipping your toes in the weirdness, just Just dipping your toes in awareness, just dipping your toes in awareness. Well, if you are, just go back to last season. We did a little episode on the Mothman.
Speaker 2:That's right, we did that last season and then join us at the festival Right In what September.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think September we want to do a live podcast from the festival itself is what we want to do.
Speaker 2:Or even maybe a Q&A. If we can't do a live podcast, something cool, we just want to be there.
Speaker 1:We want to be there and represent what we do and we want to be there I've been there before to point pleasant represent the mothman it's a wild place. It's a little sketchy uh, west virginia.
Speaker 2:It's a little sketchy.
Speaker 1:You gotta watch it, you gotta watch your front and you back in west virginia now you don't know what's gonna happen, but it's a, it's a wild place. Uh, mothman's a whole other subject, won't get into it too much, but I do again think that is something's. Something's going on in there. Something was going on at that time, yeah there's too many accounts.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly, there's too many accounts of what happened that were the same accounts that were like I've seen this, this and this, this happened, this happened, this happened right for it to just be a fluke.
Speaker 2:There's also too many accounts across the globe of other creatures that are essentially the same in different places I'm gonna say this and it's gonna get a lot of hate.
Speaker 1:I think maybe not a lot of hate, but it's a lot of like negativity if you believe in like I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1:I know if you believe in like jesus christ and you believe in like there's this alternate being in the world that controls everything. You have to believe that there's other things out there, right, like you can't believe there's just one thing that controls everything. You have to believe there's other things, is that not okay?
Speaker 2:I think you're describing it in, uh, and maybe not the clearest of terms, but I'm just saying, if you believe, okay, so people are divided in two ways.
Speaker 1:Big bang like shit happened, scientifically, yeah, or a god-like figure controlled everything yes that's the two ways most people believe. Most people, I say most right. So if you believe in the latter, that that there is a the bible can explain the big bang leave that out I will. That's what christians do. Leave that out. If you believe that god, that there is a human voice figure, there's a human, well, yeah, whatever that controlled everything but it's a possibility, right, so you have to believe in that sense, that there is also other things that exist I mean the bible spoke of giants.
Speaker 2:It did okay. It even had like names for like these alternate. I'm not like arguing anything, I'm. There's also other things that exist. Well, I mean the Bible spoke of giants. It did, okay, it even had like names for like these alternate. I'm not like arguing anything, I'm saying like, even if you're like, I am this hardcore, like Christian, like there are like there are things that are talked about Right, but there's things that are not. The Mothman's, not in the Bible.
Speaker 1:Well, well, no, they're, they're not like. But if you're, if you're, if your mind is, my point is, if you're open to saying there is this one human being that created and controls the whole universe you have to be open to saying there's some also bad or negative. That's in the world, right yeah but it's those same people who's like all that shit don't exist maybe sometimes, but it does like. I feel like if you believe in one, you can't. It's, it's very hypocritical to believe in one and not the other probably right, no, now how we mean probably I'm just.
Speaker 1:I'm just sitting on my fence, nope get off the fence because, that's only, it's only right, because if you believe, in one in sweden.
Speaker 2:That's all if you believe in one, you have to believe in the other you don't have to believe in it, but you have to believe in the other. You don't have to believe in it, but you have to say there's a possibility of it, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, what about for the people that 1,000% believe that there is a being considered as a God who controlled everything? Yes, you, 1,000% believe in that. Yes, you don't have to. 1,000% believe that there is another side to that.
Speaker 2:Nope, you do not, because if this being controlled everything he created everything. You can say he didn't create that, so there's not something else there but he created but, but the devil fell from heaven.
Speaker 1:Right, the devil was an angel that fell from, but the devil didn't create that.
Speaker 2:The devil doesn't have the power to who says god say he had no power. He does not have the power of creation.
Speaker 1:No, not like that.
Speaker 2:I don't know that okay yeah, if that was the case, why wouldn't he just create his own world, instead of taking gods?
Speaker 1:I don't feel like he's took gods. He's trying exactly, but he's not doing very good, but he creates these minions, right? Does he not create bad shit to happen?
Speaker 2:where does bad shit come from. There's a difference.
Speaker 1:Where does bad shit come? From heaven or hell, the devil or god? Where does bad shit come?
Speaker 2:from that, shit just happens what does the devil do?
Speaker 1:he just sits there on his throne not doing anything. The devil.
Speaker 2:I hear all the time he creates this shit. Nope, the devil corrupts you don't think that's not creating woo. There's a difference, okay, so I like it. I like what we're doing right now. So where do you?
Speaker 1:think the Mothman came from. If he's real, where'd he come from?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Do you think he came from God or the devil?
Speaker 2:The Mothman doesn't appear to be hurting anybody.
Speaker 1:He caused the bridge to collapse. He showed up prior to Warren of this. He showed up to warn of this bridge collapsing.
Speaker 2:So if he is this warner, he sounds like an angelic kind of fellow. That's like, hey, danger is happening.
Speaker 1:But he didn't show up doing good things. He didn't show up to Lil Johnny's birthday party to say, hey, birthday party over here. He showed up before all these people died in a fucking bridge collapse.
Speaker 2:It sounds like intuition. It's no different than Intuition is knowing.
Speaker 1:if I go down I-64, it's no different than intuition is known. If I go down i-64 it's gonna be crowded. But if I take 60 what's that called good instinct?
Speaker 2:I'm talking about like the intuition of like how some people have that like weird gut feeling, like oh something oh wait, wait a minute.
Speaker 1:Gut feeling is instinct. Gut feeling is instinct. Look it up Get feeling is instinct. So what's the difference?
Speaker 2:This is completely off topic.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying yes, it is because this isn't about the Mothman. I'm just saying I get that.
Speaker 2:I'm just 100%, but like there is a difference in having the intuition or I can't even think of the word currently that's used, but for example, I had an uncle that passed away and before he passed away his aorta ruptured, okay, and it was a very horrible, awful thing.
Speaker 2:And the day that it happened I was sitting at home and I was like something's wrong and I didn't know what was wrong, but I called every single person that I had a phone number for in my family to check on them because I was like something isn't right somewhere and I could feel it. I knew that it was there. I don't know clairvoyance, intuition, whatever you want to call it, because I don't think like clairvoyance, but there's a word for it. It's a. If you're looking biblically as a Christian, it is a gift from God that that you have this ability.
Speaker 2:Um, and then you know, within hours I found out that this had happened to my uncle and the second that I found out it wasn't a good feeling because obviously it was an awful thing, but it was like a almost like a piece that like, okay, that was it same kind of thing when my mom had her congestive heart failure. I knew something was off, something was wrong and again I started calling and like trying to figure those things out. It has happened a very, very few times in my life. It's different than the gut feeling of someone's doing something that they shouldn't be doing. Gut feeling, this is an intuition kind of feeling of something grander, something bigger, something is off within the universe of my life and space and people I care about. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:It does. I called you at nine o'clock one morning and told you my mother had been deceased.
Speaker 2:You did.
Speaker 1:And you told me that I was crazy.
Speaker 2:I didn't tell you you were crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, you said that, like why do you think that that's not true? And I said it is Something's up Right, Something's wrong.
Speaker 2:Exactly sort of connection there, some sort of something right right. So that's some sort of like intuitive connection, that being said, with the moth man. If he is there warning against something bad that's going to happen, you don't. You don't come to be like greatness is happening. You come to warn people to save people. Not, he didn't like blockade the bridge to keep people from getting off, so he didn't stop people getting on that motherfucker, he just let people keep getting on maybe that's not his part to play so you?
Speaker 1:so what are you as a mothman? What?
Speaker 2:are you doing? I'm saying as angels of God, they're there to.
Speaker 1:To try to stop you. That's a shitty stop Like I'm going to attempt to stop you, but if you don't stop, you need to get on.
Speaker 2:It's not, because free will is a thing, so that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1:I love this podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I love talking with you because I don't agree with that at all. Black men in black okay, so you're pretty thanks.
Speaker 2:So bringing it back men in black and gray barker. He said, you know, he thought there was something mysterious about the whole thing, but he didn't personally put a ton of stock into the Men in Black or the Mothman. It was interesting, it was cool, it was fun to write about, but he didn't really take it super seriously. His writing has been called into question because of that. Because you read his writings you see the things that he's talked about. We've seen the movies. We've, you know, done the research and it seems like he's like gung-ho about it. The movies We've, you know, done the research and it seems like he's like gung-ho about it. But he himself said, you know, there was something mysterious about the whole thing, but he didn't necessarily find all the stories credible. I'm sure some of them are not credible. So fine, whatever.
Speaker 2:Albert Bender himself did write his own book in 1962 about the whole thing. When he did that, he done a much more vibrant, in-depth description of the encounter that was much more frightening than the encounter that was previously reported, you know. And so his book was called Flying Saucers and the Three Men. We're going to list all these books and different things in the show notes so you can check them out, because there are definitely, if nothing else, at least interesting reads.
Speaker 2:I have a ton more experiences from people, so I'm going to kind of try to like flow through them as quick as I can. Some of them are short, some of them are definitely much more in depth because sorry, that was me shaking the things Some of them are definitely, you know, just kind of quick, little, almost quips kind of things where they didn't get a ton of media or attention. So in 1967, I'm trying to kind of go in a timeline here so in 67, robert Richardson from Toledo, ohio, claims that while driving at night he wrecked his car into a UFO. When his car hit this UFO, the UFO immediately vanished, but a small piece of metal was left behind. He took this piece of metal home, believing it was part of the ufo, and then claimed to have been visited by two men in black who wanted the piece of metal. He told him he didn't have it because he turned it in for testing and then says these men threatened him and his family. They actually said, and I quote if you want your wife to stay as pretty as she is, you would better get the medal back told you right that didn't fucking make you forget shit, they just threatened your shit that's right absolutely
Speaker 2:and the fuckers all of these are very similar in that sense of like threatening. So then in 1968, new jersey, jack robinson and his wife mary, their ufo researchers, claimed that they were terrorized by a man in black and I've got some pictures I'm going to have Mitchell post from some of these accounts, things that like kind of went along with them. So they said that for days on end a man stood across the street from his and his wife's apartment. Several times they came home and their apartment appeared to have been broken into. Things were gone through, especially their research about UFOs. So at one point Mary mentioned it to a friend of theirs, tim Green. Well, I guess Tim Green, beckley, I guess he's got three names here this man, their buddy, snapped a picture of this supposed man in black from across the road. This picture is one of the very few like actual, supposed, you know pieces of evidence that men in black really exist. So it is a kind of grainy black and white photo. So it is a kind of grainy black and white photo. We will share a copy of that from the 60s. It's weird. It could very well be like hey, this really is proof of a man in black, obviously this guy kind of standing about halfway out of an alleyway, or maybe maybe it's the end of the block, I'm not really sure In a black suit, I think he's got a hat on, um, but it also. You know, we're talking about the 60s, we're talking about New Jersey, so we're talking about a city. Men wore suits to work in this day and age. So could it have been a guy that was just like randomly standing there? So could it have been a guy that was just like randomly standing there? Yes, but it's definitely super interesting because maybe it is, maybe it's really proof of a man in black. You know, there's no guarantee. It's definitely not like a doctored photo or anything. This guy was standing there. So with that we'll move on to dr herbert hopkins.
Speaker 2:In 1976 in maine he was an acting consultant on a ufo incident. He got a call from someone claiming to be from a new jersey ufo organization. So they were a ufo activist. They asked him hey, are you home alone? Are you available to do an interview for your research? And he's like, yeah, sure, I can totally do that. So he says he hung up the phone, flipped some lights on and turned around and they were at his door. Like here they are coming up his walkway.
Speaker 2:So he gives one of the most vividly creepy descriptions. He said that this man was already walking up to his house. He had no eyebrows, no eyelashes, he was pasty white but had a very neatly tailored black suit and the only thing of color was his ruby red lips and I think like ruby red, red like lipstick, or was he so pale that the pink of his lips just seemed really bright. I don't know, we'll see. That's where I'm like, you know, like, I think, powder 1000% here. So he claims that as this man come in, his dog lost it like freaking out, barking the whole time from the second this guy entered his house.
Speaker 2:So the man was very emotionless and monotone, like a machine and then said that the man told him there were two coins in his pocket, like Hopkins pocket. Said you've got two coins in your pocket, which he's correct he did. And then he said said, pull one out. So he pulled out a shiny red penny in the palm of his hand and the man said watch the coin closely. And after a few moments the coin turned into a silver, bluish color, got fuzzy and then blurry and then began to fade away until it vanished completely like. Not only now are the men in black weird and creepy, but they're magic. So this is where we don't think they're human. Maybe they're some sort of extraterrestrial. This is where that kind of creeps in here. So he said that.
Speaker 2:The man then asked well, first he told him that the coin would never be seen on this plane again, it's never going to be seen on this plane of the universe again, and then said are you familiar with the alleged UFO abductee, barney Hill? This man that had claimed to have been abducted by a UFO and Hopkins said I know the name, name, but I heard that he passed away rather recently. So this man in black said Barney didn't have a heart, just like you no longer have a coin. So with that, barney Hill actually died of a cerebral hemorrhage. He didn't die because his heart disappeared. But this man in black then suggested that the doctor should destroy any research he had pertaining to the UFO case. He said, and I quote make your research vanish like I made this coin vanish. You can be a magician too. So he claims to. He didn't really say the magician too. Part, but you know, make your research vanish like I made the coin vanish. You know it needs to go.
Speaker 2:He claims that he was so shaken by the experience he then burned all of his files and um said that he had trouble with his phone after the incident for a long, long time afterwards. Like his phone gave him so much trouble that he called the phone company. The phone company said that his phone lines had been tampered with. So he believed that he then had his phone lines tapped so that they were making sure. You know that he didn't share his research or he didn't go back to it or whatever. But he said he never saw another man in black, that he never came back or anything, but that he did have, you know, like the phone issues. So super weird stuff.
Speaker 2:Um, the next story and I don't have a date on this one, so I just kind of popped it in here jim tippleton. His story is a little bit of a different type. It wasn't a UFO sighting. He had a picture of his daughter. So he was in a field with his wife and daughter having a picnic and he snapped a few pictures of his daughter just sitting, super sweet, and I've got a copy of that too. We'll share it. She's in the field just holding some flowers in her little sundress, but once he developed it there is a figure behind her and the figure behind her looks kind of like maybe it's someone in a spaceman suit.
Speaker 2:What's interesting is that he did take three photos, but only in this one photo did this figure appear.
Speaker 2:It wasn't in the other two and from what I gather, they were taken simultaneously so it wasn't like a picture here picture 10 minutes later.
Speaker 2:It was like he snapped a few to make sure that they got a good shot right. So the film was authenticated by Kodak, said it wasn't tampered with, it wasn't a fake, was authenticated by Kodak, said it wasn't tampered with, it wasn't a fake. And not long after the story went public, he said he was visited by two government agents who referred to themselves only as 9 and 10. He asked for identification and they said they had none, that they were referred to by number. Several accounts have said this when people ask for names or identification, they only identified by number back and forth, as though they didn't have names or they didn't want names out there. Um, so these guys wanted to talk to him. They wanted to go to the site and see where he took these pictures you're gonna take some guys with you, just right my number is nine get that guy in the back of your suburban and be like jump on in dude.
Speaker 2:Well, he got in the car with them nope all right, my number is nine.
Speaker 1:This is 11. Jump on in. We're fine, we're legit we're nine and ten.
Speaker 2:Direct us to where you took the photos of your daughter.
Speaker 1:How about that I?
Speaker 2:just want to take a few pictures no no, no, right, not today. That shit doesn't happen today though. No, no, back then it may have.
Speaker 1:But like so trusting she'll put out somebody's house now and be like my number is 37. I want you to get in this fucking.
Speaker 2:Cadillac with me.
Speaker 1:Let's take you down the road right no not happening, but like I'd be, like, I think matter of fact, that shit may not have happened in kentucky in 1947, because you still got your ass shot. Like if you're gonna show up at somebody's doorstep with a number and not a name, shake my hand, look me in the eye and tell me you're not even gonna show me your identification you're gonna tell me your number with?
Speaker 2:no, you ain't got no fucking eyebrows like you're not gonna show me something right.
Speaker 1:You're gonna show no eyebrows with some ruby red lips. Yeah, tell me your number's, 11, and let me get in the car with you. Yeah, you know what you can do. You can fuck up. That's what you can do you're not going to 1947 and 77 and 97 in 2023. You can still 2057.
Speaker 2:You can still go to hell in kentucky.
Speaker 2:We ain't getting in the car with you, for shit right and he even said like in his account he was like, you know, the only other people that were around there was like, I think he said like a couple old ladies that were, you know, off to the side but not near them. So but he did, he, he took them to this place, like essentially like they took him to this place and they asked him questions and then they wanted to know what he had saw. They were like well, you took these pictures of her, what did you see? And he told him. He said, when I looked through the camera, I didn't see anything. I saw my daughter. That was it, like there was, was nothing behind her.
Speaker 2:It was when I developed the picture that I saw this now, with that being said, I also want to specify that when I was looking at this, the type of camera that he was using, they said you know the, I don't know cameras, so whatever the lens is, the way that you look out, it wasn't a phenomenal like like cameras we have now, where you get to see like the whole picture and you know like, oh well, I'm gonna, you know, turn my camera this way so that 75% of it is whatever beautiful background and this 25 cameras weren't like that, you know. So they said that like the view viewfinder. Is that what it is? Maybe I don't know, but the view from it wasn't like a phenomenal view for what was going on around, and if he was just looking at it to only look at his daughter, he might not have seen anything.
Speaker 1:Um, this is also 1947, I'm assuming the cameras weren't like I think we're looking.
Speaker 2:We're probably looking more into the 70s here I mean, I have an iphone se and my my picture is still pixelated from four foot away yeah, so with this he said that when he told them he didn't actually see anything, they got angry and they left, like left him there in the field. He had to walk home wait a minute, you.
Speaker 1:You number 11 done.
Speaker 2:Took me to the to the field took you to the field with no eyebrows and then he got mad because you didn't see anything and he just left me and he left you that's bullshit he left.
Speaker 1:You know what number 11 your ass he ain't getting that, he ain't getting second base. Like that, you don't leave somebody in the field.
Speaker 2:He left your ass there.
Speaker 1:That ain't how it happens.
Speaker 2:Well, that's how this happened, supposedly so left him there, said he blew off the couple of men as just messing with him. He's like, ah, just a couple guys messing with me, saying he didn't believe they were actually agents of any type, but he still got in that car with them and went. Nope, this guy seems like nonsense. So there was also a story that there was a Blue Streak missile launch that was about 20 miles away. Said that they contacted him after they saw this picture because the picture went viral, and said that the launch itself had been canceled because two figures that matched the description of this thing that was in the photo with his daughter were within the firing range of this missile test. So these people could have gotten hurt by this missile launch test and they appeared to be in the same clothing garment, whatever they looked like, what this picture looked like. So this one, I feel like, is a little harder to believe, because I looked at this picture and I'd done several different things that I saw that they said well, if you do a, b, c and d to it, you know it looks more like a regular person, like if you line the horizon and you change the exposure and you darken the image and you do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
Speaker 2:So one journalist come out, david clark, and said that he believes that this quote figure is actually templeton's wife, annie, from behind. That maybe while he was taking the picture she walked by it caught her image from behind. She was wearing a light pale blue dress that day. Whatever this figure has on appears to be white and if it was overly exposed a pale blue dress could look white, said she had like short brown hair. Um, so he believes that when he was looking through the frame she wasn't seeing because he was focused on the daughter. Maybe she was standing there and then walked off and that would explain this. Maybe you line it up, you can't tell that it's a dress or anything. And honestly, if she had brown hair, I think if she had a handkerchief over her hair or something like I know that was kind of a thing in like the 60s and 70s um, maybe, maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't really think it looks like a spaceman either, but we can totally post the picture and, like you guys, tell us it's definitely interesting, it's different, but there's never. There's no more accounts of like them just angrily storming off. They didn't even threaten him. Where's the threats man? We want the good stuff, the threats, so with that we go.
Speaker 1:So they just showed up, weren't happy with what he said and was like fuck you, leaving you in this field.
Speaker 2:Well, he didn't see anything, so I guess they had nothing to fill Right, so they just left him. But like, why wouldn't they want the picture? Everybody else, they but like why, wouldn't they want the picture everybody else they've like give us the stuff or destroy it. Right, you know, but they didn't ask for that, but even though they just took his word for it and just left him in the field, yep, just left him.
Speaker 1:See you later. Yeah, he kind of brings me down a little bit, because I really thought I was gonna have some ammunition to go against this. And now this guy kind of yeah, the guy that, so what? Okay? When was this?
Speaker 2:again, I don't remember okay well, I didn't date it, unfortunately all right.
Speaker 1:Well, so this was after the last guy, right? Yes, that guy passed in 2002, right? When did this guy pass?
Speaker 2:I don't know we didn't date it at all I did not date when he passed, but I do know. I want to say that it wasn't that long ago. All right, um, here's the picture I'm showing mitchell the picture right now that I have. There's the little girl with the space man in the back, so this space man spoke.
Speaker 1:No, tell me about this one. Tell us why I'm looking at it live. Can you tell me? He supposedly took this picture yes didn't realize there was anything behind him.
Speaker 1:There was, he said there was nobody else in the field but you didn't notice this beekeeper behind you said that that only came out once it was developed now just like so, just like I will call bs on any other thing else, I'm gonna call bs on this, because there ain't no way you took this picture and didn't know and it knows the beekeeper behind you. You can call it spaceman. All you want that is a straight up beekeeper. He, even just little like dran dran, pose like he's about to start dancing you can dance if you wanna, you can leave your friends behind.
Speaker 2:That's what he's doing that's kind of yes yes, and that's why they said, like if you tilt the horizon, you change it, and maybe I'll do that for you and show you later. No, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Tilt the right. What do you mean?
Speaker 2:Like, you have to like edit it Still there. Yes, it's not going to make him disappear.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I. You can dance if you want to. Not at all, you can leave your friends behind.
Speaker 1:But they did, but if you see an alien and you don't tell us we're going to show up at your door. That's what they said.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm pretty sure if you just tell other people to show up at your door.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean we tell other people, Maybe I've seen some aliens. I want to see them show up at my door. You have not seen aliens you think you know you think you know. You have no idea, you don't know what I've seen. I've seen shit you've seen something I'm from olive hill, kentucky I've seen some shit.
Speaker 2:You've seen some weird things. I'm sure it's not really aliens?
Speaker 1:it's not aliens at all. I wish it was aliens, would be the least of what I've seen aliens would be like a respite aliens would be the best of what I've seen in my life.
Speaker 2:So, yes, right, go ahead with it but so they did do interviews, of course you know, and all sorts of things. Um, I believe it was the daughter that said, you know, the media wasn't really great to them, so she didn't love the interviews. And I believe he was the one that when he passed away, like he said, you know, like his archives were left to the daughter, you know, like the daughters and stuff, because, of course, like this picture happened, like where, where did it go, and whatever, but it's been circulated a ton. So next up we've got Paul Miller. He said he was returning home after a hunting trip. He saw a disc in the sky so it land in an open field. This guy must have been from somewhere like kentucky. I did not put on here where he was from, but he said it landed in an open field and two humanoid beings exited the craft. So he jumps out and he shoots his gun at them. He gets his gun out and he's ramboing it that's a kentucky thing, right?
Speaker 1:that's what I said yeah.
Speaker 2:so he believes he hit one and he panics because holy shit, I just shot an alien. So he gets back in his car and he flees like he's getting out. He's booking it. But then he realizes that somehow he's lost time, he's hit some sort of weird time warp Hours have passed, three hours almost to be exact, but then he just lets it go, goes home, goes on to bed, goes to work the next day, almost as though nothing has happened.
Speaker 2:Hell, he works for the air force. It's cool. He sees weird things, he's been through some things. But then when he enters work, he says he's immediately confronted by three men in black. These men said we have your file. It's weird because he's not talked to anybody about anything that happened. But these men said they knew all about it and that it'd be best for him to forget that it ever happened. He said these men knew everything about him and asked questions as though they already knew the answers to him, said he was so scared that he didn't speak about it for years. So I've got just a couple more, if you got me here I'm real pissed off though right the.
Speaker 1:The first guy gave me a lot of confidence, lots. These last two have really slacked I know, and this is this guy just forgets three fucking hours or four hours and he's just like, ah, fuck it, I'm gonna go home and go to bed.
Speaker 2:No, you don't right, you just. You don't stay up all night wondering had.
Speaker 1:I came to you and be like oh, it's four in the morning, honey, I don't know where it went. At midnight I shot an alien and then I lost four hours. You don't think I'd wake you up and be like holy shit, I just shot maybe he wasn't married okay, you think I'm calling my best friend to be like oh my shit, dude, I just shot an alien and I lost four.
Speaker 1:You're just gonna go to bed and pretend it didn't happen maybe he worked at a like at a time he worked at fucking the air force you just said I know, but like, maybe it was like no, no, why now? Why are you making excuses for my side? I'm, I'm just you are. No, it doesn't counter me you don't just skip three hours of life and wake up and be like I'm going to work I get that, but like my brother was in the military and there are things that he's like we don't talk about, like that's different than not talking about then, just not being that.
Speaker 2:No, no, maybe not I, I agree. I think it makes it flimsy it one for a person who wants to believe yeah you really sucked it up on this one want to believe you're calling ball lightning, ball lightning. On this calling ball lightning, where's ozzy at ball lightning?
Speaker 1:because you don't just forget three or four hours and just pretend it didn't fucking happen if I woke up tomorrow and it's what what are you gonna rate this? On the dd scale, it's 9 35 right now if I walked out this bedroom door from our podcast studio, which is also our daughter's bedroom door, and it was three in the morning, I'm like where the fuck did five hours go? I'm not just like, well, let's just go to bed and forget it.
Speaker 1:No right, where those five hours go, I don't know I agree that's bs and just to be known so nonchalant so they just showed up right, I just like went to work and here they were you know where I would go tomorrow? To the fbi is where I would be, would you I? Don't think so I would go somewhere you would find some like alien people, I would call tom delong from blink 182 and be like yo dude, really, yes, he's the one that got out of this house you're not gonna call like jack osborne why would I fuck what I call jack osborne?
Speaker 1:fuck jack osborne tom delong's the reason the ufos I know it should ever exist, but for the government, I know I would call him straight and be like look, I went out my bedroom last night, I lost five hours and all of a sudden there was some men in black at my door. What's jack? Osborne gonna do oh, you want to feed my puppy and talk to my dad who's half fucking delusional.
Speaker 2:He's going to show some videos and write it on his woogie boogie scale.
Speaker 1:Well, that's fine, woogie, boogie, my ass. I want to find some real shit out. I'm going to Tom DeLonge to say, hey, look what's happening here, these eyebrows, son of my house and I lost five hours of my day and they threatened my family but he didn't get a threat for his family because he just went to work like it was normal maybe he wanted it to be normal I don't know.
Speaker 2:He shot at some aliens right, yeah, it's super weird so you shoot at some aliens and it's like he starts he starts out as a badass, and then he's like I'm just going to work.
Speaker 1:It's like if I just went today I'm a service, was like I'm just here. I'm just here to work. It's like if I just went to the ambulance service and was like I'm just here to pull my shift, I'm here to pull my shift.
Speaker 2:Is that not what you guys do?
Speaker 1:After I shoot an alien. Oh okay, Hell no.
Speaker 2:Okay, gotcha. I was like, that's how you always shoot.
Speaker 1:My whole day changes if I shoot an alien first.
Speaker 2:I probably wouldn't be going to work the next day. I'd be like I totally shot. We would definitely if you see, if you see aliens ever if you see aliens ever, we're not gonna have one, two, three men in black, we're gonna have the whole brigade you can bet mitch kaiser gonna tell the fucking truth I seen a fucking alien.
Speaker 1:I shot that motherfucker in the back and he just wandered on. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm telling everybody he just wandered on.
Speaker 1:And if I didn't, if he fell down, you know what I'm going to do. I'm not going to run, I'm going to bring his carcass.
Speaker 2:You's dissect him I'm about.
Speaker 1:Let's put him on the grill, see what he tastes like. No weird. How do you know? I don't know. It depends on what it looks like it tastes great.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's delicious you just found a new food source right now we're in trouble.
Speaker 1:We're in, so much the first guy, that alligator. You don't think it was like I'm gonna shoot this alligator and eat it. You don't think his buddies were like dude, what the fuck, are you thinking? So if I was like I'm gonna shoot this alien. I'm gonna shoot this alien, eat it and you're gonna be like that's nasty. I'm gonna be like wait till you deep fry it depends on what they look like. If they look, if you deep fried, it's gonna taste good people like I don't think I could do it if it was deep fried, because I'd be like how do I know that that's not a person?
Speaker 1:it's deep fried. Does it have two hearts or is there something weird? If you ate another person deep fried, it's deep fried.
Speaker 2:Nope, I don't like deep fried.
Speaker 1:Put some breading on it, it's fine.
Speaker 2:I don't like breading.
Speaker 1:Whatever Go ahead, tell me the rest of these stories.
Speaker 2:Tell me the rest of these stories. You are nonsense.
Speaker 1:Whoever that guy was, sucks.
Speaker 2:So we're going to move on to Danny Gordon. Danny, we're going to move on to Danny Gordon. Danny Gordon better have some better evidence than the last guy. So Danny Gordon was a radio personality who was obsessed with UFO sightings. So when multiple happened across I hope I'm saying this right Wythe County, w-y-t-h-e, he began taking photos when they were reported. He began taking photos when they were reported, said. He eventually snapped some photos at close range that were said to verify that these flying objects were of another world.
Speaker 2:But that's when strange things began to happen. He started to get phone calls from a quote ex-military man this is the claim Warning him that his research would cost him everything and to stop for his family's sake. That lines up the family's sake, that it's going to cost you everything. And an in-person interview by two men in black who claimed to work for a magazine. After the interview, all of his photos, all of his stuff was gone. So he called the magazine to get his things back and found out that they'd never heard of him, they had never paid to have an article written about him. No, men in black worked for them. They didn't care about him. So shortly afterwards he was said to have suffered a heart attack and gave the story up to save his health. They said this is stressing you out too much, you can't keep doing this. Once he quit with the FBI, with the UFO stuff, he said he was never bothered again. Still flimsy, a little more close to the originals.
Speaker 1:Bring the first guy back. Bring the first guy back.
Speaker 2:This guy sucks too I want to bring the next guy all right, because you should know this one, none other than the original ghostbuster himself, mr dan akroyd all right, now we're getting somewhere in 2002 in new york he was filming a show called out there.
Speaker 2:It was all about ufos, crop circles, abductions. He's a believer. Said that he had to take a quick break to answer a phone call. When he went outside said he reported that a black sedan pulled up and a large man got out and looked at him from across the road, didn't approach him but stood there, looked at him very grimace-y, just threatening, like I'm assuming New York maybe traffic's busy, something, so he couldn't immediately cross the road. I don't know that. Said he looked away for what was just a couple seconds and looked back. He was gone. There was nothing there. So what's the most interesting about it? Not that this guy's, like you know, giving him, you know, some hardcore resting bitch face or anything, but that when he went back in he was given the news for zero reason. He was given the news for zero reason. Show's canceled, we will not continue taping, and that we're not going to air anything. It's cut, it's dead.
Speaker 1:Whole show's done.
Speaker 2:Whole show's done, never aired, never nothing. We will not air this. It's dead. Be done with it. Dan Aykroyd has talked about it. He believes this was a man in black and they shut his show down but what'd he say, had he said anything at this point? I have no idea. Maybe his research or whatever he had was enough that they didn't want it out there maybe, maybe, so it's hard it is it's dan akroyd.
Speaker 1:People are gonna believe what he says. He's a celebrity because he's dan I think, bring the first guy back right first guy had some the first two guys were real good first, the second two guys just kind of weren't my, my mojo so, like as I was reading, these are like the top encounters or whatever, the very last guy, a little more evidence here,
Speaker 2:visual physical. So shane sovar and an unnamed hotel security guard this is 2009 in niagara falls claimed to have seen a large triangular ufo or maybe just an illuminati something who knows but this claim was then looked into by some aerial phenomenon investigators team. This team reported that at least three other witnesses saw some stuff, and then men in black visited the hotel looking for Shane and the security guard. There's video footage of these two men coming into the hotel. They were said to be abnormally tall. You know this footage I'm talking about, don't you?
Speaker 2:I do yes, 100 so they were said to be identical, to look identical. I said that already. Sorry, I've had some drinks too, guys go with it yeah, they were tall, identical.
Speaker 2:They were in the suits and there's the video footage to to show that two men who appear to be tall in suits came in through these doors. It wasn't like they just appeared, there was no evidence of them, they were there. There's nobody else standing beside them to prove that they were like abnormally tall or big. But everybody the whole hotel staff said that was working, that saw them said they were terrifying. These men were scary, they were pale, they were, you know, no eyebrows, they had no lashes, they were in black suits, they had black hats on and they came in and they wanted shane and the security guard. Luckily neither of them were working, so they did not have to, you know, talk to them.
Speaker 2:So one woman who spoke with them claimed that those men she thought were able to read her mind. So there's not a whole lot to go off of. But they you know how it is when you feel like you're like looking at someone and like, oh my god, they totally know what I'm thinking and that might just be like they were scary, looking so like she just, you know, got a little overzealous, I don't know. So it's it's real tough. So it's like are they aliens? Are they a section of the government, something like the fbi or cia? They regulate what the public has or hears to keep from that mass hysteria.
Speaker 2:That's it yeah, I've seen that picture several times but there's a video where you can see them walking through the doors. It's like a little like more focused in and you see them, because there's a guy that's inside between like two sets of doors and that's where they're like well, look at how short he looks compared to them. But it's it's at such an angle that it maybe, maybe not I don't know, yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's like you know, like we've got these accounts. Some of them sound really credible, some of them are pretty flimsy, like maybe, maybe not. Is it, you know, something like the government's like well, we can't give them too much because we don't ever want people to be hysterical because they can't handle the truth, or is it kind of like what the government does, where they kind of trickle the information out to keep people hysterical in times that they kind of want that hysteria?
Speaker 1:you know. So my thing is distraction. Had they wanted so? Tom delong yeah, a celebrity yep musician right, very well known for his time as lead singer, blink 182. Yeah, had they not wanted to shut him up? I get how powerful a celebrity's voice is, but could they not have shut him up? Had they wanted to, they could have. They. Let him have that stance they did they let what they wanted to know come out they did so is there more hidden? 1 000? This is my belief yeah 1 000.
Speaker 1:There is so much more hidden. There is so much more we don't know. They're letting us know what we want to know. That encompasses this yeah, do we, as civilians, want to know? Right what is really fucking out there? Yeah because if there's some green ass, hostile ass, alien trying to take over our fucking world, do you want to know that?
Speaker 2:I don't fucking want to know that. Probably not. It's like all the asteroids that come towards the world I can't deal with.
Speaker 1:I gotta work and we're two nurses short at work right so you're about to tell me there's a fucking 13 foot fucking alien about to take over the planet? I don't want to know that so you say that.
Speaker 2:But like tom delong, I remember initially his alien claims and I know because they're like what uaps or something?
Speaker 1:now they're not even you ate unidentified aerial phenomenon. Yeah, something like that. You're right, you're right so I remember that.
Speaker 2:But I also remember all of the articles about kind of how like mentally unstable he was. That also came out like kind of right along with that of course and it was like. It was like they were kind of like well, like obviously there's some unidentified aerial phenomenon, but that doesn't mean that it's something otherworldly.
Speaker 1:But they also released all those videos of those. Air Force pods, it was like holy shit, that thing went from here to here so fast it couldn't have been humanly possible, right, that's where we get like nope. But look at us now. We still don't know any more than we did then. We just know that there's some shit out there right enough to satisfy us.
Speaker 2:There's nobody. There's something right? Nobody's out there picketing, petitioning, throwing a fucking fit. So that's where I'm like. Are they using it to their advantage of?
Speaker 2:like media that they use a bunch of bitches they use all sorts of information for that mass hysteria, like mass shootings, when they report this one versus this one versus that one, like how many actually happen? You don't really look at those statistics, you just look at what they say, what hits the mainstream illnesses like covid, like holy cow, like that was really you know, like it's a scary thing, but but depending on which way you're going or what you're watching, weather changes, like all the political shit, like all of that. It's all used to manipulate it, which is why, like what? 75 of the media is manipulated so that you know you believe what they want you to believe. Everybody's got an agenda, whatever, fine I'm trying to find some pictures.
Speaker 2:You know, men in black so obviously, why not alien stuff? But also, you know then again, like maybe it's that they want to like let a little bit out here and there. It kind of like keeps people into that like submission, like you're saying, like just enough that we're submissive about it. It's that controlled hysteria. You know where you create that like psychological drama because we've got this willingness to believe. But then you know you've got these people that don't believe. So you've got, you know, your hardcore. You know like, oh, we believe this, we believe this, and you're getting obsessive. But then you've got your people on the other side. So you've got this whole like wonderful manipulation of like damned if you do, damned if you don't. So you're almost like pitted against each other. It's like like the perfect conspiracy keep just enough out there that you're gonna keep everybody at all.
Speaker 1:Here's my thing the government is shady shady as fuck lies Lies about everything.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:They're only going to tell us what they want us to know? Yep, but at the same time, if you told them, if you told the citizens or you told the world what really was going on, how much craziness would fucking ensue. So what do they have to do? If they were to come out and be like all right, here's the deal. Covid was started in a lab. There's fucking aliens, fucking. Jesus christ is real. Whatever it be, the world is going to fucking panic. Yeah, so they have some sort of either ability or right or job to keep that at bay. Yeah, so do I blame them for not saying okay? So you remember that scene of an independence day where the president goes up to the glass and aliens like we're?
Speaker 1:here to destroy you or kill you or whatever he fucking says. And he says in that fucking voice it's all crazy. And he lets you know he's there to fucking kill everybody. If that's what the aliens came to say yeah we would be rioting and looting and fucking up each other within six fucking hours, you think?
Speaker 2:you think about small things, you think about a tornado that comes through and rips through a town, and they're like well, we need to, you know, shut everything down because it's too dangerous to be on the roads and people go out and they loot everything.
Speaker 1:You think about COVID? They were stealing hand sanitizer and selling it for four times the fucking price. Yeah, so it's not always the government's fault.
Speaker 1:It's also our fault because we're a bunch of assholes, because we are out to fucking for each other. I'm not out for you. I'm out for you because you're my wife, right? If you were a stranger? I'm not out for you, right? If the? If the government said tomorrow aliens are real, I'm stealing every row of fucking four-ply fucking toilet paper I can find. I'm gonna sell it to you for 26 dollars a fucking roll tomorrow, because the aliens are gonna take all your toilet paper how do you?
Speaker 1:they gotta wipe their ass just as well as we do. How do you know? I don't know right but we're not going to take our chances. You still got to wipe your ass, yeah, right, yeah. So, regardless if the aliens have to wipe their ass, you still have to wipe yours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why people build the bunkers and all the things.
Speaker 1:But if I steal all the toilet paper you got to pay for it. Yep, and you're going to pay for it. Yep, just like you did house, fucking flower, all the shit you paid for for covid, because we are the assholes not the government's assholes too. But we're right there with them because we're a bunch of insensitive out for their self, self-centered assholes?
Speaker 1:yeah, but we like to stand on our superior moral right and pretend we're not but we are or they wouldn't have been selling fucking hand sanitizer for nine dollars a bottle. So if you listen to this, you're just as big as asshole as anybody else we play, we play the.
Speaker 2:We play like oh well, the government made us do it right?
Speaker 1:no, they didn't. Your fucking greedy ass made you fucking do it. Because, honestly, if the government told you everything they knew, you don't want to know.
Speaker 2:Right, you don't want, I don't want to know that's their job.
Speaker 1:Let them do what they fucking do. Do I think aliens are real one thousand percent? Do I know if they're little green men? I don't know that. Do I think there is life form outside of the earth? If you don't believe that, then you are naive and as silly as shit if you don't think that there is life outside of earth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because there's other places that are that life can exist, other than this fucking planet. So if you don't think there's some sort of us out there, you're very naive, I feel like maybe you don't maybe you don't, and that's fine, but I do, yeah, but I also think if the government told us everything that was out there, everything they knew, everything that was in those files, oh my gosh that you wouldn't lose your fucking mind. You're insane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm losing mine thinking about it, maybe because I'm half drunk, but that's another side, oh my gosh, like if you've ever watched like government tv, like where they like do all the stuff like c-span or whatever like yeah, did you just talk about c-span?
Speaker 2:I mean I, I mean I'd get it, but like I remember taking a government class in college and like watching, like having to like watch certain things for like class stuff right and being like, yeah, a lot of this is stuff like I don't want to know right, you don't want to know, man, I don't want to know those things like like I'm okay putting my head in the sand for some things right like not everything but ignorant is bliss in some aspects yeah I have enough to worry about.
Speaker 2:Yes, like we got kids, I have electric bills to pay.
Speaker 1:I can't worry about aliens coming and taking my gosh damn life if I've got to pay electric. But I can't call that from like hey, I was gonna pay y'all this month, but them aliens came and they took my four-ply toilet paper and I just can't afford to pay the whole bill. If I can get it on, like maybe an extension plan, then I could pay it, but right now I gotta I gotta worry about these aliens coming no, no, it doesn't work.
Speaker 1:I gotta pay the electric bill yep, fuck those aliens until they show up at my door. I'm not worried about the aliens no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Well, that's fine, I'm just kidding, they show up three in the morning.
Speaker 1:They're gonna get more than they bargain with. I will send them back to their mothership with what I like to call just fuck the neighbor's cat. Look on their face that's wild they won't know what. You're gonna show up three o'clock tomorrow my door and not think I'm gonna send you back home a little weirder than you left with welcome to the weirdness right come on to dad's house. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 2:Hello weirdo, I got this whole spare bedroom we've been waiting. We've been waiting for you. Come on, see dad, let's talk about it but listen, in all reality that was.
Speaker 1:That was way more than I ever thought, because I assume little green man and some people came down was like you didn't see that and I know they didn't flash you like tommy lee jones did, but I thought they were like you don't talk about it, I'm gonna kill your daughter, type of shit, and they kind of they kind of did that. But, like I said, the the middle people kind of seemed like they were maybe out for attention. The first couple guys really seemed like they like the first guy. The first guy really seemed like they like the first guy. The first guy really seemed like he might have had his shit in line, like maybe he's really seen some shit. And I think I don't know this, but I was told by a friend there was a recent case.
Speaker 1:I'm sure there is, and when I say recent, I mean within the last couple of years in the States that somebody seen some shit and the government came in and maybe the men in black might have showed up and been like yo, you didn't really see nothing, and I don't know. If that's true, we'll have to look that up, we'll get back to you on that, but I think that might have been a thing. So if that's a case, then you've got what 47 you said, or some shit, was the first case 1947 is like the first documented men in black okay.
Speaker 1:So if something happened in the last couple years, you're talking almost 80 years of this shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at some point there's some truth to that right and at the same time, it's like the first like documented maybe before that, like they really did scare people enough to not talk, or you know. I mean like you think about like how well things were documented. You can go back and you can find all sorts of like weird, random things that they've always been like well. These hieroglyphics show that like blah, blah, blah happened.
Speaker 1:But we're also talking about people who just admitted to things.
Speaker 2:Yes, In the 40s, 50s 60s, 70s.
Speaker 1:How many grown men were like they said not to speak about it. I ain't going to speak on it. Right, how many grown men were like they said not to speak about it.
Speaker 2:I ain't gonna speak on it, right, and didn't speak on it. And there were so many like people that were like there were so many things that were like ufo sightings, ufo sightings and I want to do like a lot more on ufos. I just I needed to like kind of zone in on a place to start and I thought you know what men in black is a perfect place to start. So you know, yeah, why not?
Speaker 1:yeah this is. I mean because it's something that people think about and they think about if you say men in black too, if you went to random street and said, hey, we have men in black, they're gonna think about will smith, tom, lee, jones, right, maybe one person out of five, maybe more, I don't know, that's just an assumption right, are gonna think, hey, real men in black coming to your house fucking you up? Yeah, but that's a real thing. Like this was a real thing. That happened. So are these real occurrences? Are these real people? Did this really happen? That's what we didn't set out to prove or disprove.
Speaker 2:We just wanted to put it in your mind that maybe that shit exists and you should think about it right, like I mean, you were talking about this, so I like done like a quick little search and it's really hard to find like the men in black stuff, because, of course, like they want to like tech things, yeah. But like bbc is reporting like ufo reports by us troops so this is just us troops has skyrocketed to over 500 and this is a like. This was reported january of this year, but this was their 2021 report. So us spy agency 2021 report so like. But I'm gonna look into this like most recent, because it is hard like a lot of things, like they don't want it to come out that fast.
Speaker 1:So right, but the shit if it's happening now like you're, like I said, 80 years of shit. Things like disappear real quick so that it's hard to find right and you don't think and I know this is bullshit and this is probably way out there, but like us talking about it, you don't think? Puts us on some kind of fucking radar?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, I'm sure I mean I've been put on lists for books I've bought and all sorts of weird stuff.
Speaker 1:I mean I've been put on lists for all kinds of weird shit. It ain't never been in Men in Black, but whatever.
Speaker 2:Right, it's not been like UFO, but like I mean.
Speaker 1:But do I believe in some UFOs?
Speaker 2:Yes, I've got some weird books, so I know I've seen some.
Speaker 1:Look, you've seen government was like, oh look, okay, so we've lied about this, we've kind of put this under blanket, but then here's some foot and that what they do. They didn't. They didn't release everything.
Speaker 2:No, they released enough to satisfy we don't want them to just remember that we don't yeah, you don't want to see this shit, they really you want to know what's in area 51.
Speaker 1:You remember those assholes who were going to rush area 51 a couple years ago? Oh my god, yeah really you're about to rush area 51, not your ass. It ain't gonna make it 30 fucking yards before you're mowed down by some guy with a 50 cal who's gonna keep you from getting in there, because you know why you don't want to see the shit that's in there. They don't make a complete fucking underground bunker and this secluded place because they want you in there nope they want you not to be in there.
Speaker 1:Well, you got something else, nope nothing else.
Speaker 2:I'm sure I'm just doing.
Speaker 1:Doing nothing, I'm just looking for myself right now nothing that'll be fast enough to tell you well, listen what we got to say then what we got to tell, look I'm all about going outside, looking at the go outside, look at the moon right now. I've seen my facebook. Yeah, the moon's glorious right now. I think it's big and orange and bright and crazy looking right now.
Speaker 2:I think I saw something about it being like the last full moon of the virgo.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it means. That just gives me. It's used to be a dickhead. I can be like mercury's retrograding.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm being such an asshole to you something about the moon's gonna move into gemini and it means like newness and maybe that means something.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to be a dickhead. You guys that believe in that, but that's fine. But I don't think it gives me a right to be an asshole to my wife because the moon is in some sort of phase I don't, I don't know a lot about it, but it's supposed to be a good thing well, okay, well, good so that's what I got from it.
Speaker 2:It was like a 10 minute video. Then I was like it's march 8th.
Speaker 1:You should be listening to our previous episode titled Call the Void. Yep, because that's some creepy shit. Because all kinds of times I want to drive into traffic, I want to jump off a ledge, I want to hit a fucking tree head on and I don't know why I want to do it. You know why Call the Void.
Speaker 1:That's right, it's some shit that gets inside of me, so go back and listen. Makes want to do it, so listen to our newest episode, call the void. It's out. This episode's not going to be out till what march 15th something like that which is next wednesday. Yeah, I'm just ranting because you are rambling, because if they're listening to this. It's already that day or later let me tell you why because I've drunk an entire bottle of skinny girl yeah, an entire can of gingham cider and I'm halfway through with your damn raspberry smirnoff.
Speaker 1:You hand it to me. Don't act like you forgot. You hand it to me I know I didn't forget.
Speaker 2:So I'm a little, you reach for it, I'm a little drunk reach for it.
Speaker 1:She said that's not reached for it. Reach, I reached for it yeah, you reach.
Speaker 2:It sounds so weird, though, right, I always say it that way rich sounds better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in a sense not proper reached sounds weird, I reached, for it sounds like you're real redneck but, rich for it. I wrench for it sounds. They need to make a new. We should make a new word. You maybe just you handed it to me.
Speaker 2:I stuck my hand out to grab it. You handed it to me. Yeah, you either way hand out and I put something in it.
Speaker 1:You know well, you stick your hand, I'll put something in it hey, listen we are rambling I'm gonna tell you a couple things okay, theme song rad. I want to shout them out anyway.
Speaker 2:I know we talked about not doing it absolutely shout them out music atomic soul art heck, yeah, you got it right, got it right done the theme song for us. They're amazing. Check them out.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna shout out, my friend matt cotto at fleabcorp fleabcorpcom. If you are a rollerblader I don't know how many of your rollerbladers that listen to us, but if you are a rollerblader, but check him out, because he is doing fucking awesome things he has created a super awesome design it's called like a flebo buffer I don know, but it's saving your fucking knees and let me tell you something. If somebody had two knee surgeries, three back surgeries, a couple of shoulder surgeries and it's all fucked up. Save your knees.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So check him out at flebcorpcom, yep.
Speaker 2:And flebcorp is his Instagram handle, I believe as well. Maybe something like that, yeah something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can find it. B-c-o-r-p. There you go. If you can't find it, look it up, you'll find it. Yep, uh, cory shepherd, music atomic. So art did the theme song as the intro and the outro, so check them out.
Speaker 2:And hey, you know what? We didn't really mention it last time, but I'm pretty sure if you listened to us last season you noticed we've got a really cool new. I want to say symbol, but that's not it, but our cover art our logo, she. If you would have seen what she's doing with her hands just now she just done something crazy with her hands right now.
Speaker 1:I thought she was having a seizure, but she wasn't. She was bringing together really fast like she was trying to create like a fucking fireball to shoot at me, like I didn't know what she was doing. Yes, yes, jonathan carroll. Uh, he designed both the circle logo and, if you see me, occasionally, we post that foot logo that you're all at yes, All made by Jonathan Carroll Design.
Speaker 2:so we got to let him know we appreciate what he done for us Absolutely, because it is killer.
Speaker 1:It is. It's a killer design. Again, same thing with Theme Zone. We like the last logo, we love this logo.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Everything's better and improved this year and this season, our editing, our equipment our logos, our merch, our fucking subject. Whoo, he is wild. So check us out, listen to us where you listen to your podcast. We're on everything we're on, we're there, we're, if you have something you want to tell us?
Speaker 2:shoot us a message, email us. What is it? Drunken darkness at outlookcom that's it.
Speaker 1:drunken darkness at outlookcom is the email address?
Speaker 2:absolutely you can.
Speaker 1:If I've not spammed your face with instagram and facebook, then just give it time I will right, you got a topic you want to hear shoot us a message.
Speaker 2:I'm always interested government coming for us don't make it 3 am because you don't want to see what you're gonna get right.
Speaker 1:You don't want to know what's gonna happen at 3 am if you show up at my house right with some bullshit but otherwise we will. Uh, we'll be here, it don't matter if it's 2 am, I'm gonna still show up the same way right, that's butt ass naked in your face you knock on the door and he might just get naked to show.
Speaker 2:It may just be noon and I may see you with no eyebrows looking like powder showing my door. I'm gonna take my pants off yeah, just gonna get weird, because that's what we do, that's what's coming for you, right?
Speaker 1:so until next time, kick it weird kick back, maybe just grab it, just get a fucking drink get a drink, kick back a cold one.
Speaker 2:Drink with us, drink with us.
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Speaker 1:It's worth it. And if you don't stay around to hear this, an hour and a half into this podcast I'm going to post on Facebook or all the social media.
Speaker 2:so you'll see it. Anyway, yeah, I'm done, I'm drunk and done.
Speaker 1:So until next time, yay, yay.
Speaker 2:Stay weird friends.
Speaker 1:We'll see you next time. Bye, bye, bye, bye.
